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July 05, 2004Comment ControlOne of the topics that keeps popping up during the BlogWalk meeting and the BlogTalk conference is people's insistence that weblogs may go the way of UseNet (i.e. they'll be spammed and trolled into oblivion) if no form of control is exerted over comments and trackbacks. Specifically, Lee Bryant suggested introducing different "user levels" that would have different degrees of access to comments, and Mark Bernstein asked if comments and trackbacks weren't a substantially harmful factor. a) But isn't that totally running counter to the idea of what weblogs are? My weblog here has only begun to feel like a real weblog once I got a regular influx of comments and trackbacks, when it turned from a mere broadcast into a broadcast that receives regular feedback, and I appreciate feedback from total strangers just as much as from regular readers or even personal friends. b) And isn't it totrally dependent on what you are using weblog technology for? What annoys me in the weblog debate is how many people assume that weblogs are one specific thing for one specific use with one specific kind of topic. However, I think it's just another medium that can be put to a variety of uses. For my purpose it would be totally nonsensically to shgut out anyone except spammers. So, getting rid of unrestricted comments and trackbacks can be just as harmful to weblogs as what the spammers are trying to do right now. I believe that open comments and trackbacks are vital, and whether they're rendered useless by spam or by being restructed doesn't really change the consequences for weblog readers and publishers. And, as wikis are hailed so much, aren't they even more prone to defacement from spammers? Aren't they even less scaleable? Why should spammers stop short of defacing wikis, especially as it seems ever so much more easier to do it than with weblogs. As I understand it, the defining thing about wikis is that everyone can contribute. Restricting access to wikis would kill the concept. Restricting access to weblog comments, for me, would kill the concept of weblogs. Not that this would solve the spam problem. Can't we just try some sort of voodoo to get rid of them? Update: Lee clarified that he didn't really want to get rid of unrestricted comments, but simply be able to add additional layers of security and/or restruction for purposes where they might be required. Which again reveals the strong context-dependency of weblogs as a medium. Posted by Horst on July 5, 2004 11:13 AM to metablogging | Tell-a-friendTrackbacks
Ton Zijlstra said on July 5, 2004 12:14 PM: Hi Horst, I agree with you. The whole point of blogs is conversation. Comments and trackback are both essential to that. Automatic comment spam by robots is a technical problem. Comment spam by humans is only a problem for high profile bloggers. I have open comments until I can't handle the workload required to clean out spam of human origin. (and I get rid of the spam robots because I don't use a common blog software with constant post URLs to submit comments). Anyway I also run a Wiki which is open to anyone (and is not homegrown so potentially a new place for robots to dump). Hi Horst, Since you are my guide to all things Viennese, I would not dream of disagreeing with you, so thanks for the clarification. My point is really simple. I too want to keep open trackbacks and comments, but sometimes I want to easily form groups that shift between private and public modes in order to focus on something that only concerns that group. However, the other issue is that I really believe blogs can do so much for online knowledge sharing and so I don't want to see the culture we are building up killed by spammers and noise. That means that we need to at least have the option of shifting seamlessly between different types of voice, context and privacy depending upon need. If we just stick our heads in the sand and say open is best therefore everything must be open then the future of Usenet and Slashdot awaits us. We got home OK, BTW and as you can see I am in avoidance mode regarding my presentation for tomorrow morning ;-) Well, I am still at the very brim of blogging, mainly starting from your blog, Horst, and sometimes following your references. Very often, I feel like adding a comment to the Blogs I visit that way, but then I don't. Since I find it much too tedious to register before I can add a comment when all I am doing is just passing through... I think comments are vital for any blog. I mean, just ranting and raving, without any replies, where's the fun behind that? That would be so much like having a website in the 90s. |
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