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May 24, 2004


What do you do if your troops take pictures of physical and sexual abuse in American-run prisons in Iraq? — Why, Ban cameras, of course. [] Posted by Richard Ellenson on May 24, 2004 04:58 PM to news of the world | Tell-a-friend


Ulf said on May 24, 2004 05:16 PM:

Well done, Rummy! If you can't stop soldiers torturing inmates, at least take care that nobody in the outside world will notice it.

Bonnie said on May 24, 2004 07:37 PM:

I never said my government was smart...

Have you seen the stories that suggest that the prisoner abuses occurred over 24 to 48 hours, and did not go on for weeks? It's starting to get some coverage by the media here, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Meanwhile, Congress is moving forward on their investigations, and one person has already been court-martialed. Not sure what's being communicated in Europe about the investigations and charges...

Horst said on May 24, 2004 09:22 PM:

We heard about the sentence in the court-martial against the first person. We heard about General Sanchez' possible involvement. We hear about contradictory sworn statements about who knew what and said what at which time.

It seems that a few people are very keen on uncovering what really happened whereas a few other people are very keen on obscuring their involvement.

As to who really knew what, I don't know and I don't care -- the problem started with the invasion of Iraq. Once this had happened, it was obvious that these things would happen, too.

Bonnie said on May 24, 2004 09:57 PM:

I agree with you there, Horst. It was a badly conceived war, a badly conceived occupation, with badly trained soldiers and little oversight. The press is certainly not letting it go here, which means at some point those wishing to cover it up will probably lose in the end. Too many people are angry and horrified for it to "all go away".

That is one thing about having a "free press", it's very hard for a coverup to actually be successful. Someone is going to leak the info to a reporter somewhere.

As Sec. of State Powell told the President before the invasion began "You break it, you own it." No one knew how true those words would be in the end. If they can prove that the bigwigs in the chain of command knew and did nothing the whole thing will be blown wide open, and Bush will probably be history.

I, for one, want to know who did what and where, so that they get prosecuted. Being an American, I don't want them to get away with it.

Ulf said on May 24, 2004 10:29 PM:

"The problem started with the invasion of Iraq." -- The Bush administration is too smart or too dumb to acknowledge this simple fact. I really don't know which option applies.

dieter said on May 25, 2004 02:54 PM:

They were stupid enough to start the invasion in the first place, but they would be even more stupid to publicly acknowledge their stupidity right now. Bush has already made sure the findings on the Irak commission on the reasons leading to war will only be available after the coming elections, and his people will do anything possible to cover up, minimize and draw attention away from the real nasty things, until after Super Tuesday. As it comes to drawing attention away from what really counts, Bush is indeed an ideal candidate for the presidency of theGalaxy.

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